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. >> so, again, just context for our viewers that was paul ryan, this is a speech from last november. the whole speech has been on youtube since last fall. so my question to you, howie kurtz, are there really substantive points to be scored here by drudging up these all videos? >> there can be. i don't have any problem with it, people on either side drudging up old videos. it helps if the video you're drudging up has never been seen or heard before, then it has some shock value. there can be substantive and revealing comments in what people say when they think the spotlight is not on them. but in the case of this particular obama speech at hampton university in virginia in 2007, he delivered it in front of a bunch of reporters. cameras there. the surprise factor has been lost here. >> you covered the media. as we mentioned it right wing radio, right wing conservative television today, pointing at the -- it is the mainstream media, this is all the mainstream media, my question is, their ratings are high, they bring in the big bucks, aren't they mainstream media too? when does that narr
. >> so, again, just context for our viewers that was paul ryan, this is a speech from last november. the whole speech has been on youtube since last fall. so my question to you, howie kurtz, are there really substantive points to be scored here by drudging up these all videos? >> there can be. i don't have any problem with it, people on either side drudging up old videos. it helps if the video you're drudging up has never been seen or heard before, then it has some shock value....
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but, ana, paul ryan wasted no time, seizing on those comments. good strategy? >> look, you know, i love joe biden. i don't know how every republican in america doesn't love joe biden. he is a great guy. he's fun. he is the gift that keeps on giving. i miss joe biden. we hadn't heard a gaffe from good old joe in about two or three weeks. it really had been a long time. this is what the campaigns are like today in 2012, unfortunately. we look for gaffes on each other and try to make them real big. i think when joe starts getting earnest, when he starts getting righteous and starts talking about god, watch out, because a zinger is coming out. >> speaking of zingers, the debate spoet supposedly is going to be all about zingers. i can see mitt romney taking that line. i would. maria? >> the problem with that, though, carol, is that if you know joe biden and what he has done in his career, he has actually been one of the strongest spokespersons for the middle class and for working americans. and if you look at what he said, if you look at it in context, he clearly is
but, ana, paul ryan wasted no time, seizing on those comments. good strategy? >> look, you know, i love joe biden. i don't know how every republican in america doesn't love joe biden. he is a great guy. he's fun. he is the gift that keeps on giving. i miss joe biden. we hadn't heard a gaffe from good old joe in about two or three weeks. it really had been a long time. this is what the campaigns are like today in 2012, unfortunately. we look for gaffes on each other and try to make them...
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use of paul ryan over the weekend talking about -- you saw paul ryan over the weekend talking about how he does not have time to explain the numbers in his budget. people want that explanation and are creeping back from the governor. guest: given the constraints of the debate format, they will not give chapter and verse from the town and its parent -- from the candidates. this is more important for mitt romney. he benefits as a challenger from standing on the same stage as the incumbent president of the united states, but there is a greater burden to convince the wavering voters, the 12 or 14 people that i've not made up their minds in this election. host: post-debate spin, howard kurtz, how important is that, and how social media plays a more important role? guest: the post-debate spin, i think it is critical, as people watched the debate, but they can make up their own mind, but that is an hour and half. what you get for the next several days or a week are the clips that are replayed, the chair by the commentators. you mentioned the al gore eye- rolling that was not talked about the n
use of paul ryan over the weekend talking about -- you saw paul ryan over the weekend talking about how he does not have time to explain the numbers in his budget. people want that explanation and are creeping back from the governor. guest: given the constraints of the debate format, they will not give chapter and verse from the town and its parent -- from the candidates. this is more important for mitt romney. he benefits as a challenger from standing on the same stage as the incumbent...
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i think he and paul ryan will enact policies that will grow the economy. the past four years have not been very good for the american people. >> when the college republicans meet, what are the economic concerns that other students have? >> well, the first one is jobs. we go to college thinking that we will receive the education that will enable us to get a good paying job out of college. for the past four years, college graduates have a 30% chance that he or she will be unemployed or underemployed. that is not to acceptable. we have spent too much time and effort in college to go out into the labor market and have it to be completely unpredictable and turbulent environment for us. we think there needs to be better policies enacted for businesses to grow and higher. in addition, we are very focused on the debt and the deficit. the spending of the government is out of control. it needs to be fixed. if we keep spending, it is not sustainable. it is not fair to other generations. >> how long have you been a republican? the republican party today has a lot of d
i think he and paul ryan will enact policies that will grow the economy. the past four years have not been very good for the american people. >> when the college republicans meet, what are the economic concerns that other students have? >> well, the first one is jobs. we go to college thinking that we will receive the education that will enable us to get a good paying job out of college. for the past four years, college graduates have a 30% chance that he or she will be unemployed...
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here's how paul ryan responded. >> i thought he was taking my speech. you know what? we agreed these are being buried by obama care and spending regulations and all things plaguing a business. the way to stop this is to stop this. >> the middle class has been buried for four years. who is to blame? >> that little exchange we saw encapsulates the challenge for president barack obama tonight. he has to defend his record, he's got to take credit for the good things that have happened. i do think the country is headed in the right direction as i think most americans do, but i think he has to acknowledge how the experience is of real americans enough. not only on economic issues but he's not changing the tone in washington, which he's set out to do. i think the president also has to say what to do differently in the next four years. each of these men have to make a case of themselves and articulate the vision they have for the next four years otherwise they won't have a successful evening. >> there's trouble for biden in a new poll. a cnn/orc poll to put up for everyone. 6
here's how paul ryan responded. >> i thought he was taking my speech. you know what? we agreed these are being buried by obama care and spending regulations and all things plaguing a business. the way to stop this is to stop this. >> the middle class has been buried for four years. who is to blame? >> that little exchange we saw encapsulates the challenge for president barack obama tonight. he has to defend his record, he's got to take credit for the good things that have...
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paul ryan had the opportunity to speak to it this weekend and said he didn't have time to do that. so there are a lot of questions out there. we would love to know how he's going to pay for $5 trillion tax plan for millionaires and billionaires and not leave the burden on the middle class. >> barbara, let me ask that question specifically. is there a plan for how mitt romney will respond to that question? that, you know, the tax policy center, it's a nonpartisan group, people served in both democrat and republican administrations, has concluded -- and there do appear to be things that can change. but has concluded to have a revenue-neutral tax plan, you would have to raise some taxes on the middle class. is mitt romney going to get specific on that or say it doesn't have to be revenue-neutral, or how specific will he get? >> that's a totally discredited study. and we are cutting taxes on all people. in fact, it's barack obama's policies which actually we don't know what they are, and jen just didn't tell you. i mean, we have talked about key stone pipeline on day one. we're going t
paul ryan had the opportunity to speak to it this weekend and said he didn't have time to do that. so there are a lot of questions out there. we would love to know how he's going to pay for $5 trillion tax plan for millionaires and billionaires and not leave the burden on the middle class. >> barbara, let me ask that question specifically. is there a plan for how mitt romney will respond to that question? that, you know, the tax policy center, it's a nonpartisan group, people served in...
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again, paul ryan is the only one who has offered any sort of a program. the president has been totally silent for three years. the democrats have not offered a budget since 2009. it's just shameful. > > healthcare is also on the agenda with the debate. do you think americans are confused about how healthcare actually works with the new reform? > > yes. i sure am. i run a small business, and we're confused as to how healthcare works. i would say over the past three years our premiums have gone up and our coverage has gone down. yes, we're now protected from pre-existing conditions, but, we have much higher deductibles, our premiums are much higher, and i'm getting lower service. > > the problem with obamacare is it was passed in 2009, but it doesn't fully phase in until 2014. this is insanity, because it created so much uncertainty that no small business, which is the engine of jobs growth, will hire anybody until they know what their cost structure is actually going to be like, and we are not going to know that for another year or two. > > on the other ha
again, paul ryan is the only one who has offered any sort of a program. the president has been totally silent for three years. the democrats have not offered a budget since 2009. it's just shameful. > > healthcare is also on the agenda with the debate. do you think americans are confused about how healthcare actually works with the new reform? > > yes. i sure am. i run a small business, and we're confused as to how healthcare works. i would say over the past three years our premiums...
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paul ryan is not a friend of mitt romney long term. paul ryan is for paul ryan. he is thinking about 2016. he has not gotten what he needed. >> before we go, i have one last question. >> yes. >> what about, you talked about paul ryan, this medicare argument, you know, do you think that seniors believe that this is only going to affect people under the age of 55 or do they not trust politicians enough to think they can't keep their hands off the medicare. >> i honestly don't know how to get my arms around how the seniors react. they understand that paul ryan is up to no good when it comes to his medicare proposal. they look at him you look at the response at aarp, the way the proposal is at the end of the day has been received negatively by all folks even people who say we need to do something with the medicare, don't think it works. >> thank you, eliot spitzer who you can see on viewpoint at 8:00 p.m. you can watch him tonight covering all the issues for the debate. thank you. >> thanks for having me on. >> you can call 866-55-press. we're taking more of your cal
paul ryan is not a friend of mitt romney long term. paul ryan is for paul ryan. he is thinking about 2016. he has not gotten what he needed. >> before we go, i have one last question. >> yes. >> what about, you talked about paul ryan, this medicare argument, you know, do you think that seniors believe that this is only going to affect people under the age of 55 or do they not trust politicians enough to think they can't keep their hands off the medicare. >> i honestly...
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. >> paul ryan talked about it. he says as conservatives, we are used to media bias. but the desperation of the mainstream media to re-elect barack obama has reached levels we have not seen before. i worry very much that the kind of covering up of hugely important issues, an american ambassador killed in a terror attack that the administration covered up, after it ignored that the threats that he was reporting back to washington. that's very, very serious. when have you a media that won't cover these stories, it begins to really damage, i think, the functioning of our democracy. they have an important role to play and they have abdicalletted responsibility because they have a tingle up their leg over barack obama. >> sean: i think they are the willing accomplices. i think that obama is laughing his ass off because he knows he can manipulate them and get them to say anything he wants. it's fascinating. >> and dangerous. >> sean: liz cheney, thank you. >> thank you. >> sean: coming up next, now that she is not on the campaign trail, calista gingrich is going to make sur
. >> paul ryan talked about it. he says as conservatives, we are used to media bias. but the desperation of the mainstream media to re-elect barack obama has reached levels we have not seen before. i worry very much that the kind of covering up of hugely important issues, an american ambassador killed in a terror attack that the administration covered up, after it ignored that the threats that he was reporting back to washington. that's very, very serious. when have you a media that won't...
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and then the response from his challenger, the vice-presidential candidate, paul ryan. take a listen. >> all kidding aside, with all the boos, we can stop all the malarkey, this is deadly ernest, man. this is deadly earnest. how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that has been buried the last four years. >> vice president biden just today, said that the middle class over the last four years has been quote, buried. we agree. that means we need to stop digging by electing mitt romney the next president of the united states! [cheers and applause] gregg: republicans didn't waste anytime trying to utilize the biden remark, did they? >> we'll be hearing a lot about that over the next couple weeks. and i can assure you the white house wishes they could reverse time and get biden to say something, anything different from that. but you know, for those us in the press that is the nice thing about joe biden. he is always sort of ad-libbing and giving us great things to write about. gregg: that updates the biden gaffe clock that the rnc always
and then the response from his challenger, the vice-presidential candidate, paul ryan. take a listen. >> all kidding aside, with all the boos, we can stop all the malarkey, this is deadly ernest, man. this is deadly earnest. how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that has been buried the last four years. >> vice president biden just today, said that the middle class over the last four years has been quote, buried. we agree. that means we need to...
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as for paul ryan, this has been part of a romney campaign tendency. everything from the convention, acutely so, maybe a bit before that. to take whatever sound bite of the day is and to build a narrative around that. that doesn't reenforce the larger one for the romney campaign. look, the american public is well aware of the economic situation our nation is in. it's a recovery, but the slowest and least satisfied since the great depression. something has to be said about that and directions have to be pointed at the future of the policy. that's what the governor is going to do tonight, but what has been interesting and not necessarily in every intans helpful to it, so to jump on one each day and pretend that's the news or the driver instead of having larger narrative about the present and future. >> dan, if you believe in that larger idea of the narrative, what should the narrative be for romney tonight and should it be let's take this one great idea, pound it home as many times as you can or hope something sticks? >> no, the former. look, american pr
as for paul ryan, this has been part of a romney campaign tendency. everything from the convention, acutely so, maybe a bit before that. to take whatever sound bite of the day is and to build a narrative around that. that doesn't reenforce the larger one for the romney campaign. look, the american public is well aware of the economic situation our nation is in. it's a recovery, but the slowest and least satisfied since the great depression. something has to be said about that and directions...
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." >> jimmy: pro, paul ryan will be in the audience trying to lend his support. con, joe biden will be in the audience trying to start a wave. [ laughter ] "joe, sit down. don't --" "boo! come on, guys. this section sucks." [ laughter ] pro, the first debate will be wednesday at 9:00 p.m. con, right after an all-new "guys with kids," every wednesday at 8:30 only on nbc. ♪ "from the zany mind of jimmy fallon." and finally, pro, all the campaigning, the attack ads, the political bickering has led up to this moment. con, and yet we still have to wait another month for this crap to be over. there you go. that is the "pros and cons." [ cheers and applause ] we'll be right back with "freestylin' with the roots!" what?! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ [ diana ] power was very important to me. we test-drove the camry, took it on the freeway, and it was just like -- this was the car for me. [ ryan ] it has stuff that guys like, like the rims and the sleekness to the body. and, then, had the bluetooth and the navigation that diana really wanted. [ diana ] and it was an se, s
." >> jimmy: pro, paul ryan will be in the audience trying to lend his support. con, joe biden will be in the audience trying to start a wave. [ laughter ] "joe, sit down. don't --" "boo! come on, guys. this section sucks." [ laughter ] pro, the first debate will be wednesday at 9:00 p.m. con, right after an all-new "guys with kids," every wednesday at 8:30 only on nbc. ♪ "from the zany mind of jimmy fallon." and finally, pro, all the...
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pre47 remark, prepancake pre-paul ryan saying no, it's not 47%. it's 30% of americans don't want to work and are lazy. and glom off of everybody. which, by the way, would be freeloaders -- everybody on unemployment plus 20%. so to be real clear about that. downplaying this now in the last week it's been -- if mitt doesn't deliver this is it. this is not a guy who -- can hand that will kind of pressure. >> stephanie: fortunately, he's such a natural. he's so authentic in every situation. and his wife said he's going to lose it. >> ann, how do you feel? >> stephanie: i think everything will be fine. >> i worry about his mental state. >> stephanie: he may just lose his [ bleep ] that happens a lot. >> maybe it was him that crapped on the roof of the car. i've tried to figure this out. i can't get the dog. >> magic underwear is not so magic anymore. >> in all honesty like apparently there was this report that came out during the big bain board meetings, he would have a flop sweat problem. >> stephanie: like robert hayes. >> when the pressure is on. to
pre47 remark, prepancake pre-paul ryan saying no, it's not 47%. it's 30% of americans don't want to work and are lazy. and glom off of everybody. which, by the way, would be freeloaders -- everybody on unemployment plus 20%. so to be real clear about that. downplaying this now in the last week it's been -- if mitt doesn't deliver this is it. this is not a guy who -- can hand that will kind of pressure. >> stephanie: fortunately, he's such a natural. he's so authentic in every situation....
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paul ryan knows better. he's trying to tap into the anti-moocher vote. and it's -- in the past, it's been a significant number of people in this country who think there are a bunch of lay-abouts lying on the couch, watching tv and eating cheetos. 45% do work. they just don't make enough money. the government decided under ronald reagan at first, give them a tax credit. in other words, send them a tax -- >> incentivize them to work. >> ryan knows this but he's just pandering to the worst instincts of his audience. >> martin, i don't know how -- or what goes through someone like -- the head of someone like paul ryan where he isn't going to accept the framework of that proposition, which has been so damaging. really a sensible candidate wouldn't try and accept the premise of the question. he'd try and explain it. he'd say, this is where we want to move the country. not about work, but it's been so damaging to sort of accept it and engage in it and embrace it, it is such a losing proposition. even the research from his own campaign must tell him that. >> joh
paul ryan knows better. he's trying to tap into the anti-moocher vote. and it's -- in the past, it's been a significant number of people in this country who think there are a bunch of lay-abouts lying on the couch, watching tv and eating cheetos. 45% do work. they just don't make enough money. the government decided under ronald reagan at first, give them a tax credit. in other words, send them a tax -- >> incentivize them to work. >> ryan knows this but he's just pandering to the...
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the left has a paul ryan video. it's a whole lot of fun. i'm sure you'll love it. >>> first here's bill karins. he's got a check on the forecast. bill. >> morning, joe. maybe you noticed yourself down in d.c., too, the fog, a big issue this morning up and down the big cities from new york city all the way down through philadelphia, baltimore and d.c. give yourself some extra time. i'm sure we're going to have airport delays as the airports get going this morning. some people are saying it's the worst fog they've seen in a long time throughout this region. it will lift by 9:00 or 10:00 a.m. so the heart of it is right now. we will see a few showers during the day but not like yesterday where it really was a rainout in a few spots. temperatures will be very warm and humid. we are going to see a chance of showers in new york city as we go through thursday and then again over the weekend. it's over the weekend that the temperatures drop on the east coast including washington, d.c., and boston with highs in the 50s and 60s. right now all that co
the left has a paul ryan video. it's a whole lot of fun. i'm sure you'll love it. >>> first here's bill karins. he's got a check on the forecast. bill. >> morning, joe. maybe you noticed yourself down in d.c., too, the fog, a big issue this morning up and down the big cities from new york city all the way down through philadelphia, baltimore and d.c. give yourself some extra time. i'm sure we're going to have airport delays as the airports get going this morning. some people are...
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only slightly more than half knew that paul ryan is the republican vice presidential nominee. the director of the annenberg center, kathleen hall jamieson, our master media decoder is back with us. welcome. >> thank you. >> so who's responsible for the widespread unawareness or ignorance that you report in your survey? is it the candidate, the media, or the voter? >> it's all three. and fortunately, we have the opportunity with presidential debates to do something that reliably increases knowledge. we've been studying presidential debates for a long time as a scholarly community. and to our surprise, we consistently find that those who watch debates, regardless of the level of knowledge they come in with, come out with more accurate knowledge as a general group. and they do this because those who haven't paid a great deal of attention have a lot to learn. those of us who've paid a lot of attention still missed things. the news may have covered something one day and we weren't paying a whole lot of attention. or maybe we got one candidates' position and we missed the other cand
only slightly more than half knew that paul ryan is the republican vice presidential nominee. the director of the annenberg center, kathleen hall jamieson, our master media decoder is back with us. welcome. >> thank you. >> so who's responsible for the widespread unawareness or ignorance that you report in your survey? is it the candidate, the media, or the voter? >> it's all three. and fortunately, we have the opportunity with presidential debates to do something that...
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. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. so you could argue that we're already passed that tipping point. the good news is, survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center right 70/30 country. 70% of americans want the american dream. they believe in the american idea. only 30% want the welfare state. >> which video is more sensat n sensational? more of a game-changing contest modifier. joining us from the site of tonight's debate in denver is the man who knows from game change, emmy darling, "time" magazine and msnbc senior political analyst whose publication is out with an issue today, who's telling the truth, the fact wars. mark halperin, i've been trying to find
. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. so you could argue that we're already...
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in clinton, iowa, vice presidential nominee paul ryan said a romney administration would help more americans find jobs. >> we have a jobs crisis in america. wouldn't it be nice to have a job creator in the white house? ( applause ) we can't afford four more years. we need a real recovery. take a look at just jobs. we lost 582,000 manufacturing jobs since the president took office. he's offering a new tax increase on our job creators that will cost us 700,000 jobs. we're offering really forms. >> ifill: which candidate has the better plan to get the economy back on track? that's the key question in battleground states like north carolina, which only months ago seemed out of reach for the democrats this year. but it's back in play again. jeffrey brown traveled there to discover why. >> lead the way. brown: 26-year-old dewayne owens who served in the marines and is now a professional mixeded marshal artist usually takes on tougher opponents than your correspondent. >> i see. brown: but this weekend on a break from training at the gym in durham, he offered a few pointers >> when i kick i'm think
in clinton, iowa, vice presidential nominee paul ryan said a romney administration would help more americans find jobs. >> we have a jobs crisis in america. wouldn't it be nice to have a job creator in the white house? ( applause ) we can't afford four more years. we need a real recovery. take a look at just jobs. we lost 582,000 manufacturing jobs since the president took office. he's offering a new tax increase on our job creators that will cost us 700,000 jobs. we're offering really...
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paul ryan speaking out for romney in iowa. >> a handful of states will determine this outcome. a handful of states will determine which way our country goes. so you not only have a huge responsibility, you have a tremendous opportunity. >> meanwhile, michelle obama has been stumping for her husband, the president, in ohio. >> this election will be even closer than the last one. that is the only guarantee. understand that. >> against that backdrop i sat down with the man who shocked the political establishment when he was elected governor of one of the biggest states of the union, arnold schwarzenegger has always been bigger than life. it all came crashing down in a very big way. i first interviewed him in the early '90s. since then he's had of course seen the end of his marriage to maria shriver and the end of his two terms as governor. he tells the story in graphic detail in his new book, "total recall." arnold schwarzenegger joins me now. welcome. >> thank you. >> try to imagine what it must have been like to be you for the last year. the reason i imagine it is i saw you and
paul ryan speaking out for romney in iowa. >> a handful of states will determine this outcome. a handful of states will determine which way our country goes. so you not only have a huge responsibility, you have a tremendous opportunity. >> meanwhile, michelle obama has been stumping for her husband, the president, in ohio. >> this election will be even closer than the last one. that is the only guarantee. understand that. >> against that backdrop i sat down with the man...
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as for congressman paul ryan, he's just gushing about the president's skills. >> president obama's a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years, he's an experienced debater. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> forget my running mate. the president's the guy to watch but not everyone agrees. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. i don't know about that. you know, who's going to put the most points on the board. >> you are. no, no, governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> so they are praising each other. but something tells me we won't see too many compliments on that stage tonight. joining me now is rick stengle, editor of "time"'s magazine called, who is telling the truth, the fact war. what does governor romney need to do tonight, in your opinion? >> one of the things he needs to do is to seem presidential. one of the things that folks haven't been talking about is if you go back to reagan/carter in 1980, what
as for congressman paul ryan, he's just gushing about the president's skills. >> president obama's a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years, he's an experienced debater. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> forget my running mate. the president's the guy to watch but not everyone agrees. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best...
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ryan you know this video came out of a paul ryan writing off thirty percent of america mitt romney had just forty seven percent arguably you can debate the meaning of that but that's i think you know this is the same thirty percent of americans ryan coming right out saying thirty percent while in fact it's. twenty percent of americans according to the actual nation gets seventy percent of their seventy five percent of their income from the federal government they're dependent. another twenty percent of americans get forty percent of their income from the federal government so their reliance today seventy percent of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes survey after survey poll after poll still shows that we are a center right seventy thirty country seventy percent of americans want the american dream they believe the american idea only thirty percent want the welfare state. ok carl you're muttering under your breath i was saying this goes to the philosophy question in. my basic problem and we can get into the calculus of how
ryan you know this video came out of a paul ryan writing off thirty percent of america mitt romney had just forty seven percent arguably you can debate the meaning of that but that's i think you know this is the same thirty percent of americans ryan coming right out saying thirty percent while in fact it's. twenty percent of americans according to the actual nation gets seventy percent of their seventy five percent of their income from the federal government they're dependent. another twenty...
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mitt romney's proposed with paul ryan an ambitious reformation of the program that would go to voucher, but he hasn't said what the level of the voucher would be or the growth rate in the voucher. if you don't specify that, you can't specify what your savings will be or the impact on consumers. and finally president obama last year in the grand bargain talks with house speaker boehner talked about more ambitious proposals than medicare than he's advocated so far like raising the eligibility age from 65 to 67. hasn't said a word about that in the election campaign so far. you can expect the two to clash on that issue, as well. >> john, i know you've looked at some poll numbers from the journal and nbc news. maybe a slight tightening on a national level. but certainly in some important states like ohio, the president continues to lead. i know you've said the romney strategists believe they need ohio. if it's mathematically possible to win without it, why do they still believe they need it? >> well, because if you don't win ohio, you're probably not going to win, say, wisconsin, which is
mitt romney's proposed with paul ryan an ambitious reformation of the program that would go to voucher, but he hasn't said what the level of the voucher would be or the growth rate in the voucher. if you don't specify that, you can't specify what your savings will be or the impact on consumers. and finally president obama last year in the grand bargain talks with house speaker boehner talked about more ambitious proposals than medicare than he's advocated so far like raising the eligibility age...
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unfortunately, that's what mitt romney and paul ryan are promising to do. the middle class was punished by tax cuts that went to the top paid for by the middle class. that's what they're promising to do now. they were punished by wall street, putting taxpayers on the hook for bailing them out. the vice president is saying we made progress. we're on a path to rebuild an economy with the middle class at its core. we know how to do it. we can do it again. the last thing we should do is go back to the same policies that crashed the economy and punished the middle class in the first place. >> hopelessness because of poverty. sean hannity said these are controversial thing that is the media never reported on. of course, we covered that and britt hume did, too. they didn't have any, quote, involvement in disseminating that 2007 video, very old story coming back. who do you think is responsible for that? >> i think allies to mitt romney are responsible and the romney campaign should stand up and do the same -- the right thing and say it was the wrong thing to do. m
unfortunately, that's what mitt romney and paul ryan are promising to do. the middle class was punished by tax cuts that went to the top paid for by the middle class. that's what they're promising to do now. they were punished by wall street, putting taxpayers on the hook for bailing them out. the vice president is saying we made progress. we're on a path to rebuild an economy with the middle class at its core. we know how to do it. we can do it again. the last thing we should do is go back to...
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i mean, i was just struck by that video of paul ryan. there's no empathy there. no attempt to reach out and say hey, look. i understand what people are going through and this is what mitt romney and i want to do. and what's so devastating about that ad from the obama for america campaign where they just run mitt romney's words and you see women, but you also see senior citizens and variety rans and all sorts of people who make up the 47% who for one reason or another, paul ryan doesn't realize that a lot of the 47% are the very people who are in their base and the people they need to vote for them in november. >> let's see if mitt romney has been prepped with a better answer about the 47% tomorrow night. thank you for joining me. >> thank you lawrence. >>> coming up. mitt romney's secret tax returns are still making headlines. "the new york times" used romney's tax returns and new bain documents to expose mitt romney's lies about his money. >>> and the republican voter suppression movement suffered a big loss today in a pennsylvania courtroom. joy reid is here wi
i mean, i was just struck by that video of paul ryan. there's no empathy there. no attempt to reach out and say hey, look. i understand what people are going through and this is what mitt romney and i want to do. and what's so devastating about that ad from the obama for america campaign where they just run mitt romney's words and you see women, but you also see senior citizens and variety rans and all sorts of people who make up the 47% who for one reason or another, paul ryan doesn't realize...